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Xbox officially delays Avowed into 2025

  • JTD STJTD ST753,725
    Posted on 05 August 24 at 16:13
    weLtaLLcLoud said:
    Lord Midas said:
    weLtaLLcLoud said:
    Lord Midas said:
    weLtaLLcLoud said:
    Like I said before if the rumor is true, then Microsoft don't really have a firm timestamp of when there game's get's released...s.t.a.l.k.e.r. 2 is one example...but I can understand that was due to the russian-ukraine war...
    Avowed has no excuses...tho...
    They said they are releasing later to allow the game breathing space, over a very busy schedule. Do you not think that's a good idea, or are you of the opinion that a game MUST release on xyz date without fail, regardless of the market situation?
    I don't really care either way...if avowed want breathing room.. that's fine and dandy...and all..
    but when a game get's delayed or not released at all it's kinda disappointing...
    It's kinda like when you are a kid and it's christma's time and you go to your christma's tree and realize there are no gifts...and then realize that the gifts you was suppose to get you will get on a later date...
    And it's even worst that a Obsidian game director...post's the release date of avowed and then delete's it...
    ^ https://www.ign.com/articles/obsidian-accidentally-posts-avo...
    Like they are trying to hide something...hmmm...something fishy or must be going on...in Obsidian...to have them do that...
    Don't u think so?
    Nope. I don't think there's something fishy. Folks can make a mistake. He can post something, perhaps enthusiastically, only to be told that's not correct. And he's look oops.
    Human error is a real thing and doesn't require outrage and vitriol and spite. Perhaps a little patience for those waiting for the game?
    Yeah, somebody in Xbox can post something and then hide/deletes it like nothing even happened...Like this tweet...
    ^ https://www.smashjt.com/post/xbox-head-posts-dumb-racist-twe...
    ^ Do u think this tweet was made in human error? or do u think this tweet deserves outrage, vitriol and spite...
    Good lord I just had a browse of that website and read some of their stuff
    What is that absolute dog trash site?! 😂
    Now I understand you so much more after all this time.
  • RadiantViperRadiantViper1,164,826
    Posted on 05 August 24 at 17:08, Edited on 05 August 24 at 17:08 by RadiantViper
    JTD ST said:
    Good lord I just had a browse of that website and read some of their stuff
    What is that absolute dog trash site?! 😂
    Now I understand you so much more after all this time.
    Sadly just another corner of the internet that makes rage content for people who want to be angry all the time. I don't know how anyone takes it seriously when they CAPITALIZE every HYPERBOLIC ACTION WORD in the headlines ...
  • Posted on 05 August 24 at 17:42
    Fine by me
    Mr Peanutbubber said:
    I wish more games came out in Q1. Everything comes out in the Fall and gets lost.
    Couldn't agree more. We don't have any major releases for most of the year. September/October arrives, sometimes 2 or 3 highly anticipated titles come out on the same day.
  • Mr PeanutbubberMr Peanutbubber1,039,908
    Posted on 05 August 24 at 17:55
    xGaertner26 said:
    Fine by me
    Mr Peanutbubber said:
    I wish more games came out in Q1. Everything comes out in the Fall and gets lost.
    Couldn't agree more. We don't have any major releases for most of the year. September/October arrives, sometimes 2 or 3 highly anticipated titles come out on the same day.
    I understand business wise why they want that Fall/Holiday money but as someone who loves new games, I wish they were spread out more. I'm bad at paying full price for stuff and then waiting to play it so I typically just don't buy it and forget about it!
    I'm escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by capitalism...SPACE!
  • TymanTheLongTymanTheLong569,156
    Posted on 05 August 24 at 19:11
    “To give players backlogs some breathing room…”. Yeah, they’re full of crap, the game needs more polish is all. Given how their combat looked in those first videos and how they had to pivot to make that not suck surely other tasks have slipped and it simply won’t be ready.
  • TymanTheLongTymanTheLong569,156
    Posted on 05 August 24 at 19:25
    Kariyanine said:
    weLtaLLcLoud said:
    Yeah, somebody in Xbox can post something and then hide/deletes it like nothing even happened...Like this tweet...
    ^ https://www.smashjt.com/post/xbox-head-posts-dumb-racist-twe...
    ^ Do u think this tweet was made in human error? or do u think this tweet deserves outrage, vitriol and spite...
    No I don't think it was made in error nor do I think it deserves outrage, vitriol and spite...

    Console gaming and gaming culture as we know it are dominated by the Amercias and Europe. Roughly 70% of console sales come from those regions (and if you want to talk Xbox specifically, we're looking at somewhere between 80-85%). We all know white dudes in those regions buy games and that we (I am part of that group) are the most vocal online of the groups that buy them. But there is a large group of minorities that do buy and play games there however because white dudes are so loud online they often drown out other points of view and in some cases just discourage others from joining the discussions. A statement like this is just asking for white dudes to sit down for a minute so we can see some other hands in the crowd.

    I think the error that she made (or more likley the error Microsoft PR made) with that situation after it went viral was deleting it and then apologizing.

    If you are taking offense to something as innocuous as a request for white dudes to just hold their voices this one time, you are looking to be outraged (and the site you linked is just vessel to deliver that outrage).

    As someone who spent a good portion of their teens, 20s, and early 30s as an angry white guy, I recommend trying to not be angry at everything. No one is out to get you. No one is trying to replace you. The majority of games are still made by people like you, for people like you. And if you stop letting places like that rage bait headquarters rile you up, it'll do wonders for your personal health and relationships and it comes with the added bonus that you'll probably, actually enjoy things again.
    Holy crap! Someone with the ability to recognize their mistakes and self control to alter their behavior accordingly! I salute you!

    Your advice is good and should be taken seriously. But as someone in the twilight of middle age and quickly approaching old age my suspicion is that people like you are rare birds. Most people just cannot do what you did without a serious outside shock to their world (and sometimes not even then).

    But maybe don’t listen to me, I’m no longer even really sure that free will exists laugh

    I just had to post because really altering one’s worldview and acknowledging past mistakes just seems to be so rarely done. I suppose that’s why therapists will always have clients…
  • JTD STJTD ST753,725
    Posted on 05 August 24 at 20:22
    RadiantViper said:
    JTD ST said:
    Good lord I just had a browse of that website and read some of their stuff
    What is that absolute dog trash site?! 😂
    Now I understand you so much more after all this time.
    Sadly just another corner of the internet that makes rage content for people who want to be angry all the time. I don't know how anyone takes it seriously when they CAPITALIZE every HYPERBOLIC ACTION WORD in the headlines ...
    Haha yeah I also noticed that amazing capital lettering. Fantastic journalism.
  • AllgorhythmAllgorhythm666,640
    Posted on 05 August 24 at 20:56, Edited on 05 August 24 at 20:56 by Allgorhythm
    DeathHunts#9248 said:
    Following reports of a change in release date, Xbox has now officially delayed Avowed to give players some "breathing room" from the many games launching into Xbox Game Pass later this year.
    Some thoughts.

    If there’s a GamePass logjam, why not release it, initially, outside of the subscription service? I would gladly pay for it. Increased revenue from people like me would offset some of the financial burdens that are causing GamePass to hike its prices.

    Better yet, how about standard & deluxe physical versions of the game?

    Still better, how about a limited edition Avowed themed Series X console with deluxe edition of the game released before Black Friday so people could buy them as Christmas presents? People who don’t want to splurge for a console could buy a special Avowed controller with & without the game bundled along.
  • Posted on 05 August 24 at 21:22
    Looking forward to this but brilliant they are bringing it out later as there are so many games coming out so soon
  • Posted on 06 August 24 at 01:28, Edited on 06 August 24 at 01:28 by Tozi Tiberius
    Would you say that his game has been dis-avowed by 2024?

    I'll see myself out, thank you.
    Your feeling of helplessness is your best friend, savage!
  • RadiantViperRadiantViper1,164,826
    Posted on 06 August 24 at 02:06
    Allgorhythm said:
    DeathHunts#9248 said:
    Following reports of a change in release date, Xbox has now officially delayed Avowed to give players some "breathing room" from the many games launching into Xbox Game Pass later this year.
    Some thoughts.

    If there’s a GamePass logjam, why not release it, initially, outside of the subscription service? I would gladly pay for it. Increased revenue from people like me would offset some of the financial burdens that are causing GamePass to hike its prices.
    This would undermine Game Pass even more after they just raised the price to access day one games.

    But really specifying Game Pass doesn't matter, those other games are still coming out and they're simply worried Avowed would get lost in the shuffle. If it's the genuine reason for the delay, MS is basically just trying to avoid what happened to EA with Titanfall 2.
  • AllgorhythmAllgorhythm666,640
    Posted on 06 August 24 at 17:14
    RadiantViper said:
    This would undermine Game Pass even more after they just raised the price to access day one games.

    But really specifying Game Pass doesn't matter, those other games are still coming out and they're simply worried Avowed would get lost in the shuffle. If it's the genuine reason for the delay, MS is basically just trying to avoid what happened to EA with Titanfall 2.
    Not disagreeing with anything you say.

    Setting Avowed aside for the moment, Microsoft is too heavy-handed with GamePass. It's a shame because GamePass is the gold standard of subscription services. The FTC warned Microsoft would make price hikes, lower quality, and do whatever it wanted. Increasing GamePass subscriptions so soon seems like a ham-fisted blunder.

    There are too many exclusives. Not all exclusives need to appear on GamePass. Microsoft needs to learn how to be more adept in its business practices.

    Wrt Avowed, I can understand why Microsoft would want to time the release strategically. Yet, delaying it past the holiday season signals a lack of confidence. If Avowed is as good as The Outer Worlds, it should be one of the main attractions of the holiday season.

    So, why is Microsoft getting cold feet. My suspicion is that Avowed's limited release compounded by its GamePass venue has resulted in a diminished budget. Through no fault of Obsidian, the Avowed development team might not have the same financial resources available to The Outer Worlds developers. If so, it is perfectly understandable to see Microsoft flinch.
  • wildwest08wildwest082,566,362
    Posted on 06 August 24 at 20:42
    Bummer
  • JTD STJTD ST753,725
    Posted on 06 August 24 at 22:19
    Allgorhythm said:
    RadiantViper said:
    This would undermine Game Pass even more after they just raised the price to access day one games.

    But really specifying Game Pass doesn't matter, those other games are still coming out and they're simply worried Avowed would get lost in the shuffle. If it's the genuine reason for the delay, MS is basically just trying to avoid what happened to EA with Titanfall 2.
    Not disagreeing with anything you say.

    Setting Avowed aside for the moment, Microsoft is too heavy-handed with GamePass. It's a shame because GamePass is the gold standard of subscription services. The FTC warned Microsoft would make price hikes, lower quality, and do whatever it wanted. Increasing GamePass subscriptions so soon seems like a ham-fisted blunder.

    There are too many exclusives. Not all exclusives need to appear on GamePass. Microsoft needs to learn how to be more adept in its business practices.

    Wrt Avowed, I can understand why Microsoft would want to time the release strategically. Yet, delaying it past the holiday season signals a lack of confidence. If Avowed is as good as The Outer Worlds, it should be one of the main attractions of the holiday season.

    So, why is Microsoft getting cold feet. My suspicion is that Avowed's limited release compounded by its GamePass venue has resulted in a diminished budget. Through no fault of Obsidian, the Avowed development team might not have the same financial resources available to The Outer Worlds developers. If so, it is perfectly understandable to see Microsoft flinch.
    You’re reading into this too much. The holiday season has ALOT of strong well established IPs releasing games.
    They would be stupid to have so much confidence in it to think it could compete with those franchises.

    I’m really not sure how you can see this any other way than simply a smart business move
  • AllgorhythmAllgorhythm666,640
    Posted on 07 August 24 at 18:05
    JTD ST said:
    You’re reading into this too much. The holiday season has ALOT of strong well established IPs releasing games.
    They would be stupid to have so much confidence in it to think it could compete with those franchises.

    I’m really not sure how you can see this any other way than simply a smart business move
    What's not a smart business move is downgrading the game to an exclusive. The reason Obsidian and Microsoft are intimidated is because the competition is not disadvantaging itself to releases on a single console.

    Square Enix made it clear that it was NOT a smart business move to limit itself to one platform. It stated this practice was responsible for FF XVII & FF VII failing to meet sails targets and will make amends with future releases. It's time for Microsoft to also make smarter business moves.
  • JTD STJTD ST753,725
    Posted on 07 August 24 at 21:56
    Allgorhythm said:
    JTD ST said:
    You’re reading into this too much. The holiday season has ALOT of strong well established IPs releasing games.
    They would be stupid to have so much confidence in it to think it could compete with those franchises.

    I’m really not sure how you can see this any other way than simply a smart business move
    What's not a smart business move is downgrading the game to an exclusive. The reason Obsidian and Microsoft are intimidated is because the competition is not disadvantaging itself to releases on a single console.

    Square Enix made it clear that it was NOT a smart business move to limit itself to one platform. It stated this practice was responsible for FF XVII & FF VII failing to meet sails targets and will make amends with future releases. It's time for Microsoft to also make smarter business moves.
    And then Microsoft get criticised and dragged through hell for releasing their games on other platforms. They honestly can’t win. Their own fan base is toxic enough without the Sony fanboys even getting involved. Some people are just never happy, seems you’re one of those people.
  • JTD STJTD ST753,725
    Posted on 07 August 24 at 21:56
    Allgorhythm said:
    JTD ST said:
    You’re reading into this too much. The holiday season has ALOT of strong well established IPs releasing games.
    They would be stupid to have so much confidence in it to think it could compete with those franchises.

    I’m really not sure how you can see this any other way than simply a smart business move
    What's not a smart business move is downgrading the game to an exclusive. The reason Obsidian and Microsoft are intimidated is because the competition is not disadvantaging itself to releases on a single console.

    Square Enix made it clear that it was NOT a smart business move to limit itself to one platform. It stated this practice was responsible for FF XVII & FF VII failing to meet sails targets and will make amends with future releases. It's time for Microsoft to also make smarter business moves.
    And then Microsoft get criticised and dragged through hell for releasing their games on other platforms. They honestly can’t win. Their own fan base is toxic enough without the Sony fanboys even getting involved. Some people are just never happy, seems you’re one of those people.
  • RadiantViperRadiantViper1,164,826
    Posted on 07 August 24 at 23:03
    Do they get dragged through hell? Seems to me the recent wave of games that got ported to PS like Sea of Thieves went over well.

    While I'm generally not a fan of how MS has handled Xbox over the last few years, mostly due to a stunning lack of consistent major titles, I'm all for more people being able to play any given game. And we know from the leaked info a while back that some people at studios now owned by Xbox aren't a fan of how they pick some games and studios to stay on Xbox and others get released on multiple platforms. Wouldn't surprise me if some Avowed developers feel the same way.
  • AllgorhythmAllgorhythm666,640
    Posted on 08 August 24 at 00:44
    JTD ST said:
    And then Microsoft get criticised and dragged through hell for releasing their games on other platforms. They honestly can’t win. Their own fan base is toxic enough without the Sony fanboys even getting involved. Some people are just never happy, seems you’re one of those people.
    I'm very happy. Gaming is in a good place right now. Microsoft is heading in the right direction with Project Latitude. Sony is migrating PlayStation-only games to PCs and making some of the first party games available on other platforms. I have high expectations for the Switch 2 and have been quite happy with the Switch.

    I'm a console collector. I have always been able to play exclusives. Still, it's a bad practice. It's not good for gamers who are limited to one platform and, as developers and publishers are starting to realize, it's not a smart business practice.
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